Debunking Crap: The Rocky Story is BS

July 4th, 2010

Yo Adrian, the story behind Rocky is more made up than the movie itself

The other day, I listened to a YouTube clip of Tony Robbins telling the “Rocky” story.  You know, the “Rocky” story, right?  It’s the one where Sylvester Stallone wrote a screenplay for Rocky.  When he took it to the studio, the studio wanted to buy it. They thought it would be a great vehicle for some of their actors.

But Stallone said he wouldn’t sell it unless he starred in it.

The studio was against it, because Stallone was a funny-looking unknown actor.

But because of Stallone’s fierce determination and belief in himself, he prevailed.

The studio agreed to pay Stallone a measly $18,000 and the film was made for less than a million dollars.

And the rest is history.

Or is it?

First of all, I tend not to believe anything that Tony Robbins says. If he says the world is round, the first feeling I get is that I need to look it up in a science book.

But hey, everyone knows the Rocky story, right?  And Robbins said he heard it from his good pal Sly Stallone himself.  So, it must be true, right?

Nope.  The whole thing is bullshit.

Here’s how it really went down:

The first part of the story is true: Stallone did write a script for Rocky.

His agent, Larry Kubik, then showed the script to his producer buddies: Irwin Winkler and Robert Chartoff.

Now, the Winkler-Chartoff team had a pretty cool clause in their deal with the studio UA.  If their film costs less than a million dollars, the studio would automatically greenlight the movie.

Wanna guess under which clause Rocky was made?

That’s right.  The studio greenlit the movie WITHOUT EVER MEETING STALLONE.

In fact, they could have casted me as a 3-year old for the title role of Rocky and the studio wouldn’t have cared less.

But the studio DID want to see how Stallone would work out.  So, they screened one of this earlier films, The Lords of Flatbush.  Now, LOF had an ensemble cast.  And when the studio guys watched it, they weren’t so sure who Stallone was.  They thought Perry King, another actor in the movie, was Stallone and based on seeing King, they said OK.

Whoops…

So, when the studio finally saw the final result of Rocky, they had no idea who the star was.  They were looking for the other actor!

But…

They sure did like that movie.  And test audiences liked it too.  The only problem was they thought it wouldn’t appeal to enough people.  Heck, it was a boxing flick..eveyone knows women won’t go.

So, what did they do?

The studio guys summoned Stallone and the conversation went something like this:

Stallone: Yo, what’s going on?

Studio Big Wig: We got this idea, Sly.  We’ve made up this cockamamie underdog story that we think is going to work AWESOMELY  for your Rocky movie.  Here’s what we need you to do: We need you to go to all the newspaper guys and tell them that the BIG BAD studio didn’t want to buy your script if you starred in it.  You tell them that you refused to do it unless you starred in it. You’re an unknown guy so everyone will believe it.

Stallone: Yo, but I don’t  get it. Like I never met yous guys before we made the movie.

Studio Big Wig: Yeah, yeah, yeah..we know.  But our marketing gimmick for this movie is all about the underdog.  So, we’re going to make YOU the underdog.  Just tell them we’d give you..oh, I don’t know…say, $18,000 for the movie.

Stallone: You think theys gonna buy it?

Studio Big Wig: Hell, yes. Those stupid newspaper guys will fall all over themselves for this one.  They love underdog stories.   So, go on out there and spin this story.  Your fake underdog story’s going to sell this movie, BIG TIME.

Stallone: OK.  I’ll try.

Yoda: Don’t try. Do or do not.  There is no try.

Did it work?  Well, you still believe the story, don’t you?

So, next time someone tells you that horsesh*t Rocky story, you’ll have the truth.

The story was nothing but a well-done marketing campaign.  A campaign so successful that everyone still believes it’s true.  Heck, by now, Stallone probably believes it.  Then again, he probably thought the Blair Witch Project was real.

For more info on how it went down, go here.

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  • http://www.facebook.com/armichalski Anthony R. Michalski

    Hi Carlon!

    Thanks for posting this. I take it you saw the YouTube clip I posted on my blog. :-) I am going to tell you something: I like THIS story — the real story — better than the Robbins' tale! I really do! If there is one thing I find myself saying all too often, it's that the truth behind so many things is stranger — and more fascinating — than the fiction!

    I posted a comment on my article with your link. Please feel free to go and comment as well.

    Thanks! All the BEST!

    Have fun … Tony.

  • carlon

    Tony,

    I most certainly did see that on your blog:) You know I'm an avid reader of the Master Key Coaching!
    I appreciate you getting the word out on my post.. It's rare that someone posts Tony Robbins' stories and then links to me. Wish it happened more often…but the again, I don't obsess over Tony Robbins much (though his “fans” don't seem to like me for my bad review of his book).

    I commented on your blog and hope more people learn the truth about “Rocky”.
    I do think truth is stranger and in many cases better than fiction.
    The only difference I find is that the truth is usually more complicated (=realistic) than the fiction.

    Have fun too,
    Carlon

  • http://www.facebook.com/armichalski Anthony R. Michalski

    Hi Carlon!

    Great! Thank you for exposing the truth. I did do a cursory check on the story's veracity, but I guess that my Google-fu failed me. In all that I do with this personal development stuff, I aim to find the deep-down truth. Not just because the truth is stranger than fiction and not because I just want to debunk myths. I just like the truth, no matter if it be good, bad, or ugly.

    Even though these “truths” are more “realistic,” that fascinates me even MORE! Listen, I like Robbins' telling of this tale. For all his faults, he is a masterful speaker and when listening to this tale, even though I always thought it was more apocryphal than anything, it does get me pumped. It creates a reaction similar to an uplifting movie or a thumping song. In short, it serves a purpose.

    I don't know if you saw my response to your comment on my blog, but have you ever discovered anything regarding Napoleon Hill, Andrew Carnegie, and Think & Grow Rich? I've searched, but could not find a thing. Please let me know if you do. THANKS!

    Have fun … Tony.

  • carlon

    Tony Robbins is good at what he does. And to be fair, no one really knew the truth about Rocky until Rocky Balboa came out and the marketers started talking. So, Robbins could have told the story before then. An inspirational tale serves many purposes.

    Everyone uses stories at some point. I've used them in my blog to illustrate a point and add a little fun. Story-telling is a wonderful thing.

    I start drawing the line when they are used as proof that what someone is saying is true. Hence the term I use: inspiroof.

    The Hill story really sounds like BS to me. I've been meaning to research that for some time. Maybe, I'll do that now.

  • http://www.facebook.com/armichalski Anthony R. Michalski

    Hi Carlon!

    For once, you give Mr. Robbins too much credit. You, like me, know that when these motivational speakers get their hands on a tale, they don't let it go. Heck! They'll even share stories, whether the stories are like this one (about another person) or about themselves (they just change the pronouns).

    “Inspiroof.” I like that. If I borrow it, I'll pay you royalties. :-P

    I have serious doubts about the Hill story while at the same time thinking it has some merit. According to lore, Hill interviewed Carnegie in 1908. That lead to Hill interviewing 500 other achievers.

    Here's the thing: Hill didn't begin publishing anything until 1919 — the magazine “Hill's Golden Rule.” His first book didn't appear until 1928. T&GR didn't get published until 1937.

    By that time, Carnegie was dead.

    I've read a few biographies about Carnegie. None mention Hill. Please keep in mind that these are scholarly, researched biographies; not Wikipedia articles, all of which mention the Hill-Carnegie story. I find that puzzling. They'll mention Carnegie's book “The Gospel of Wealth,” but not mention Hill.

    I hope your research yields something more than what I found. I greatly appreciate the work.

    With the author that I promote, Charles F. Haanel, there were also many myths created. I debunked them here. Please feel free to use that as the basis for an article. I'd like to read your insights.

    http://www.masterkeycoaching.com/2008/11/the-3-…

    All the BEST!

    Have fun … Tony.

  • http://www.facebook.com/armichalski Anthony R. Michalski

    Hi Carlon!

    For once, you give Mr. Robbins too much credit. You, like me, know that when these motivational speakers get their hands on a tale, they don't let it go. Heck! They'll even share stories, whether the stories are like this one (about another person) or about themselves (they just change the pronouns).

    “Inspiroof.” I like that. If I borrow it, I'll pay you royalties. :-P

    I have serious doubts about the Hill story while at the same time thinking it has some merit. According to lore, Hill interviewed Carnegie in 1908. That lead to Hill interviewing 500 other achievers.

    Here's the thing: Hill didn't begin publishing anything until 1919 — the magazine “Hill's Golden Rule.” His first book didn't appear until 1928. T&GR didn't get published until 1937.

    By that time, Carnegie was dead.

    I've read a few biographies about Carnegie. None mention Hill. Please keep in mind that these are scholarly, researched biographies; not Wikipedia articles, all of which mention the Hill-Carnegie story. I find that puzzling. They'll mention Carnegie's book “The Gospel of Wealth,” but not mention Hill.

    I hope your research yields something more than what I found. I greatly appreciate the work.

    With the author that I promote, Charles F. Haanel, there were also many myths created. I debunked them here. Please feel free to use that as the basis for an article. I'd like to read your insights.

    http://www.masterkeycoaching.com/2008/11/the-3-…

    All the BEST!

    Have fun … Tony.

  • Paul

    Hi there,

    I have to ask – how do you know this?

    The studio having a ‘cast anyone they want clause’ is probably true, but that doesn’t mean they wanted Stallone. I’m sure they still wanted to make a profit, and casting anyone just becuse they can doesn’t seem like good business sense. Therefore, wanting the script and not Stallone, but Stallone holding his ground seems probable.

    Your explanation is certainly possible, and I’m not trying to debunk it, but I was just wondering what proof you have?

    Thanks

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